Reprinted from 
The lds Home Educators Assn Newsletter
issue #31, Nov 1999

Interview:  Elder Hartman Rector, Jr.
Emeritus, 1st Quorum of the Seventy  

Elder and Sister Rector came to Utah in 1968 and live just a few miles from downtown Salt Lake City.  Looking around, their home is full of beautiful treasures from their world travels, including four mission presidencies.  Looking out, they have a breathtaking view of the entire valley.  Next door, just slightly downhill, is the home of Karl Malone, Utah Jazz basketball star.  Looking in, Elder Rector is passionate about a number of issues:  the Book of Mormon and the Constitution; motherhood and home schooling; and the American Indians.  His Emeritus status, which is automatic at age 70 for members of the 1st Quorum of Seventy, allows him to speak for himself rather than for the Church, a freedom he greatly enjoys.

 "I don’t speak for the church; I speak for myself now."

On the Public Schools
They say education has failed.  It has not failed,  It is doing exactly what Dewey set out to do.  He had two major goals:  #1 get God out of the schools; #2 get mothers out of the schools, and they’ve done it.  (John Dewey was the founder of modern public education and a signer of the Humanist Manifesto.  He designed an educational system where God and family influences would be excluded and where students would be separated into academic or tradesman tracks.)

And that’s where we are today.  Today about 3% of the students get PhD’s. Dewey would have wanted a few to get doctorate degrees, and they would do the thinking for the rest of the people.  Today 17% of our students are dropping out.  Dewey would have felt they were needed to do the more necessary menial tasks like pick up the garbage and dig the ditches.  Then he would have wanted the rest of them (80%) to learn how to follow orders, to follow rules.  Dewey set out to do what we are achieving today.

Dewey set out to implement what Plato taught—the Great Society, completely planned.  Nobody has any way to get out of the mold they put them in.  That’s what this Goals 2000 education is designed to do.  The Governor of Texas (George Bush) has got it implemented in Texas already, and he’ll try to do it in every state in the Union if he gets elected.  We haven’t got anybody to vote for.

On the Constitution
The Constitution will hang by a thread.   It is under attack by the coalition that came out of the sea that John saw.  He saw two beasts; the first one came out of ocean.  I’m convinced it’s the UN.  We’ve got (people in leadership) trying to turn our whole country over to the UN.  If we removed our support, the UN would drop to nothing.  They don’t have any money except what we put in.

(Elder Rector was equally outspoken about a number of religious/political issues which, unfortunately, we don’t have space to report in detail.  He said the job of the Supreme Court is to pass on the Constitutionality of law, not to legislate as they did in Roe vs. Wade which legalized abortion.  He’s concerned about the use of Executive Orders, designed as an emergency provision during wartime, by Presidents to legislate.  He’s concerned about our giving up of the Panama Canal which is soon to fall into the hands of the Chinese.  He minced no words about the taking of Southern Utah land for the Federal government by President Clinton.  He believes we must stop same-sex marriages at the state level because a Federal law would be reviewed by the Supreme Court, and that court cannot be trusted.)

(Do home schoolers have a role in preserving the Constitution? we asked.)

No question about it, I’m convinced!

The Lord gave Mormon the responsibility to write a handbook for us for our day.  It’s getting as bad as it was before the flood, with men’s thoughts, as Moses wrote, being evil continually (Moses:22).  So we’d need a handbook, and the Book of Mormon is it.  Mormon said I didn’t know what to write, and the Lord said OK I’ll show it to you, in so many words.  I speak unto you as though ye were present . . . the Lord Jesus Christ has shown you unto me  . . . all but a very few do walk in the pride of their hearts (Mormon 8:35-36).  The Lord showed him our day and then he went through and picked out from the mountains of records—they’d kept records for a thousand years—what we would need today.                        ü

Why do you suppose he put in the story of the 2060 stripling warriors who were taught by their mothers?  They were home schooled!  And we’re going to have to do the same thing today if we want to know our Constitution.  We have to raise up a generation that understands the Constitution and understands that they don’t elect anybody who is not going to uphold and defend and protect the Constitution.   We will not turn it around until we raise a generation that understands the Constitution.  So home schooling is vitally important, as far as I’m concerned. 

Ether, of course, was written after Mormon died.  Moroni wrote it and he said he only wrote a hundredth part of what was there.  In Chapter 2, verse 7 says this is a land of promise.  This land has been preserved for a righteous people.  After the water receded—that would be after the flood—this land became choice above all others.  It was pretty choice before, though, because it all started near Jackson County Missouri, you know.  This land!  Eastward in Eden.  All the land was in one piece at that time.  In the days of Peleg it was divided.  It’s the United States of America, not South America or Mexico or Canada.  (2 Nephi 10:10-11)

The promise is: if you keep the commandments you will prosper in the land.  There’s also a curse attached to it and here’s the curse:  the people should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when they are ripened in iniquity.  Then the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.  (verse 8)

So what happens to us if we don’t keep the commandments?  We get swept off.  Here’s verse 9:  ...should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.  It doesn’t say what you have to do to be ripened in iniquity, but I wonder if 33 million abortions in the past 26 years wouldn’t ripen us considerably.

And here’s verse 10:  ....shall serve God or shall be swept off.  Have you heard that before? 

Here’s verse 11:  ...repent...that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done!!

This is the book written to us, our handbook for today.  The inhabitants of this land have always brought down the wrath of God.  Who was the first group that brought down the wrath of God?  Noah’s group.  That started right here (Jackson County).  

Then the Jaredites.  Then the Nephites.  Now we’re number four.  Congratulations!  If we get swept off what do you suppose they’ll call us?  Clintonites?   He has destroyed all these kids (as a result of his veto of partial-birth abortion legislation passed by Congress) They’re the Lord’s children, not his.  That is the reason people think they can have abortions, because the child is theirs.  It is not theirs; it is the Lord’s.   We are begotten sons and daughters unto God (D&C 76:24).

Ether 2, verses 8, 9 , 10, 11, 12 says the same thing in every verse.  Do you suppose the Lord forgot what he said?  No, he’s trying to impress upon us something that we obviously do not know, so he says that we’ll be free from bondage here if we obey the God of the land.

Our Constitution is precisely what the Lord wants on this land; and not just this land, he wants it in every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.  So he set up a land where he could send his kids and they could learn liberty and freedom and then carry that message to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people.  That’s what the United States was set up to do.

If you were God and you set up a nation where you could send your children and they could learn the message and carry it to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people; and then you were not permitted to send your kids to this land—that’s what they’re doing with abortions—what would you do, if you were God?  Would you wipe the leadership and those who follow them off the face of the land?  So we have to carry the message.

On mother’s and father’s role in home schooling
Mothers do most of the teaching because that’s what they were given responsibility for.  The fathers are to provide for the family—feed and clothe them, educate them, send them on missions.  That’s what fathers do.  In the pre-earth life, I didn’t want to bear children.  I was willing to provide for them, but my wife wanted to have the Lord’s children.  Children do belong to God.  Your daughter is God’s child.  You’ve been given the responsibility and privileged of raising her and teaching her to love him and keep his commandments and walk uprightly before him.

There’s no question in my mind that about 14 minutes with mother is equal to all day in the public school.  That’s what they determined when William Bennett was director of the Department of Education under President Reagan.  He tried to determine how much time it would take with private tutoring for a child who had been injured and couldn‘t attend school.  All it takes is 1 1/2 hours a week to keep a child up with his class.  That’s about 20 minutes per day!

Brethren need to have a good education because they have to provide for the family.  They have to have a good job, be willing to work hard, bring in everything they make and give it to their wives, and she’ll raise the kids.  The primary reason we’re here is to raise the Lord’s children anyway.  We accepted that responsibility when we agreed to mortality.  I don't know all the reasons why a third of the Host of Heaven will never have a body of flesh and bone in this eternity, but I know one reason—they were unwilling to bear children.  We are here is to raise the Lord’s children, to teach them to love him keep his commandments, to walk uprightly before him.  Isn’t that what he said to Adam and Eve right at the start:  be fruitful and replenish the earth that you may have joy and rejoicing in your posterity because you’re just here to raise my children.

Now we have a first lady who wrote a book—she didn’t write it but she put her name on it— It Takes a Village to Raise a Child.  No! it takes a family to raise a child.  It takes a mother and father who love each other and are willing to make whatever sacrifices are necessary to raise the Lord’s children.  And look at the divorce rate today; look at the single families we’ve got today.  Dr. Laura’s on target in most of the things she says.  She really hits them right between the eyes about living together out of wedlock or selfishly breaking up their marriages..

The fathers have got to provide for the family; if they don’t do that they’re worse than an infidel and have denied the faith.  Those are not my words, they’re Paul’s.  And President Benson added to that.  He said if you do not provide for your family you have aborted your greatest opportunity and your first responsibility.  Providing for your family comes first, even before being the spiritual head of the family.  That’s what he said and I believe it.

(Is that because its so important to keep the mothers home?)

Yes.  Mothers, they’re going to bear the children and for the most part care for them through childhood—which doesn’t mean you can’t ask for help from your husband.  Get all that you can, but don’t expect too much because he has a different responsibility.  That’s why 14 minutes with a mother is worth more than a day in school.  Because of the love and relationship that exists between a mother and her children, she is the best teacher of children.  When the children get hurt they don’t run to father, do they?  They run to their mother, of course, because they were nourished by their mother, nurtured by their mother, and nursed by their mother. 

The Lord is very partial to his daughters, and I would be too.  They’re going to bear his children.  The sisters were willing to be mothers.  You were willing to bear the Lord’s children.  That’s the reason you’re a woman.  I didn’t want to do that.  I said No, I’ll support my wife and the children.  That’s how important mothers are.  Mothers in the home are absolutely vital.  Without mothers you don’t have anything, so they deserve all of the plaudits that you can heap upon them.  Those who are willing to raise a family—that’s better than being able to paint a picture, write a book, or anything else.  That’s President Kimball’s statement. 

The Lord never demeaned womanhood.  Never!  He did his greatest miracle before two women, Mary and Martha.  He raised their brother from the dead.  The first one to see Him after He was resurrected was not Peter, the First Apostle; it was Mary Magdalene.  She was probably his wife.  We don’t know that for sure.  Brigham said it, though its not in that book that we’re studying.  I’m sure Mary ran and threw her arms around him.  And He says Touch me not.  There’s a different translation of that in several other scriptures:  Do not clasp me so close.  You’re squeezing me to death!

The Lord never demeans womanhood; He glorifies womanhood.  Why shouldn’t he; they bear his children.  You can’t do better than that, if you raise them and teach them to love him and keep his commandments and walk uprightly before him.  What would you do if somebody would take care of your kids like that?  You’d figure out some way to reward them, probably.  So when you do that you make the Lord happy, and that means you’ve made somebody happy who owns everything!  Those are the best people to make happy!

(What about mother burn-out?)

That happens because they try to put on a public school in their home.  They even use public school materials.  That doesn’t work.  You’ve got to adapt to what will work.  I’m convinced that Glenn Kimber’s gone a long way down the road to getting past this burnout problem.  He suggests teaching three days a week, four hours a day, and no homework.  Homework was devised by Dewey to make kids hate school.  He didn’t want students to love learning. 

Don’t teach on Monday.  You need Monday to get over Sunday.  That’s when you do your housework, learn about “Tide in, dirt out“ and “if you put yeast in, bread rises.”  Then when you go on a mission you’re not helpless.  I’ve been a mission president four times, and the kids who came out knowing how to cook and mend were better qualified to survive well in their mission.

The afternoon is open for students to play in the band or sports with local high school, if they want to.  Friday is field day; you’ve got to know how the fire department and the police department work.  I’m convinced this is a great system.

On Opposition from Ward Leaders
(Elder Rector made reference to several ward/stake leaders who are home schooling.)  I went back east to a youth conference where the president of the stake was home schooling his family, and all the bishops are now lining up, so you’re not going to have the resistance that you’ve got now very much longer. 

President Hinckley can’t get up and tell all the families to home school their kids.  He can’t do that.  Use the letter the Brethren sent out not long ago (quoting from the First Presidency letter of Feb 11): “We call upon parents to devote their best efforts to the teaching and rearing of their children in gospel principles which will keep them close to the Church.  The home is the basis of a righteous life, and no other instrumentality can take its place or fulfill its essential functions in carrying forward this God- given responsibility.

“We counsel parents and children to give highest priority to family prayer, family home evening, gospel study and instruction, and wholesome family activities.  However worthy and appropriate other demands or activities may be, they must not be permitted to displace the divinely-appointed duties that only parents and families can adequately perform.”

Now that sounds like an endorsement for home schooling to me!  It’s from the First Presidency!

(Won’t some say it pertains to religious teaching?) 

And instruction. It’s not just gospel!  As Brigham told George Maseur when they sent him down to set up the Brigham Young Academy, Now don’t even teach the multiplication tables without the gospel.

(Elder Rector also offered to take phone calls from any local leaders who are concerned about home schooling.)

On BYU’s Distance Learning
 I’m convinced that home schooled kids can finish high school and be ready for college at an average age of 15.  That’s too young to go to college, so you take BYU correspondence courses.

(BYU courses are pretty much the same as the rest of the world’s.) 

They’ll get better; they’re gonna get a lot better.

President Bateman intends to have 500 courses available on the internet.   That’s going to be home schooling of the highest order, and the Church is going to be sponsoring the whole thing.  Five hundred courses!  Unbelievable!  And President Hinckley wants 1 million students enrolled in it, primarily members of the church .

On helping the American Indians
We are going to lose 1/3 of the people in this country.  I think the Lamanites are going to do it to us; that’s what the Master said.  Three different times he says the Lamanites are going to go through and rip and tear us asunder, and I can see why.  I was in Ecuador for three years.  When we (US troops) went into Panama the local people bombed 30 of our chapels in seven days.  They hate the United States of America, primarily because Kissinger went down there and loaned a dozen different countries $80 billion dollars through the international bank and monetary fund.  Most of the money went to the presidents of the countries, who then stole it.  They have big Riviera retirement villas. 

We were in Peru when the country had no money left.  The man who had been in office for the last six years had stolen it.  Presidents of South American countries only have one term because they steal everything they can get their hands on; they figure that’s what they’re supposed to do because that’s what the Spanish did to them.  The Spanish would come over and try to steal enough money to take care of themselves the rest of their life—and they did. 

In Peru the government couldn’t even pick up the garbage.  People piled garbage in the medians out on the highways and on the riverbanks until it ran into the river and then into the ocean.  It polluted the ocean, and 180 thousand people died of cholera because of the pollution—because they didn’t have any money to pick up the garbage!  The guy who went out of office had three big Riviera houses and was worth probably $65 million.  Then the international bank people loaned the government $80 billion dollars, knowing that they could not pay it back.  They have paid back, on the interest, $415 billion dollars and they haven’t reduced the principle at all.  They hate us, believe me.  They see us as the ones who did it.  They march in the streets and shout anti-American slogans.

So all you’ve got to do is take down our border patrol and they’ll overrun us.  If we should have some kind of disaster, a plague or any other thing the Lord can bring on us that will take the border patrol down, the Lamanites—probably non-members!—could overrun us.  They’ve already overrun California.  So, that’s what the Book of Mormon says is going to happen to us and I believe it.  My Father commanded me to give you—talking to the Lamanites and Nephites that were left after the destruction at his crucifixion—my Father commanded me to give you this land for your inheritance.  This land belonged to the Indians, and our forefathers came and took it away from them because they thought it was free and the Indians were savages, not really people.  They thought, Let’s kill them all!  Let’s get rid of all the Indians! 

If you want to be safe when the Lord comes, you’d better be helping Indians.  That’s what the Book of Mormon says and it doesn’t lie.  Mormon will tell you want’s going to happen.  Mormon saw it. The Lord showed it to him and he wrote it in the book, and there it is (Mor 5:24).

(What can be done do to help the American Indians?)

Not much.  They want their land back, and we can’t give them their land back, but we can help them get an education, and once they get educated they can compete with anybody anywhere.  They’re smart. 

So we put on golf tournaments.  We encourage “golfers” to pay us $500 to play in the tournaments, and all of that goes for scholarships for Lamanites.  That’s a scholarship for a year because we only give them half; they must earn half of their money.  American Indian Services gave 800 scholarships last year. 

Most of the Indians that are in scholarships today are Navajo and Hopi girls who have been on the placement program and have gone back to the reservation, have gotten married and have two or three kids and their husbands deserted them.  They’ve got to get educated so they can provide for their kids.

On The Church
I fear the church is going to come under very serious attack.  They already are on this gay rights, same sex marriage recognition thing, and it will get a lot worse.  The Brethren cannot talk on political questions.  The Church is a tax-exempt organization and as such can’t get involved in politics.  That’s the reason you don’t hear the Brethren saying anything of a political nature.

I don’t speak for the church; I speak for myself now.  Congress passed a prohibition against partial-birth abortions.  President Clinton vetoed it, and when he did he took the life of 2.5 million unborn babies.  Do you see any similarity between a man who would kill 6 million Jews because they were unwanted and one who would kill 2.5 million unborn babies because they were unwanted?  He and Hitler are in the same bed.  

We’re not going to have anybody to vote for (for U.S. President) until the Lord cleanses this nation—and he’s going to.  We’re not too far away.  How do you live through that?  Keep the commandments.  Look to the Lord in every thought.  Doubt not; fear not.  Just keep the commandments.  Go where you should be when you should be there.  That’s what we’ve got to do; that’s what we’ve got to teach the kids to do.       

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At our recent Stake Conference our visiting authority said Brother Rector told a group of missionaries: I know why you’re all here.  Your girlfriends said they would marry nothing but a returned missionary.  And while you’re here, they’ll do that. 

 

(c) Joyce Kinmont, LDS Home Educators Assn. November 1999    

 

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